August 27th, 2009

I really don’t know what to make of the new system from FFG. I doubt I’ll buy it, and that makes playing or GMing it nearly impossible. So, what happens to this site, which has been dormant for over a year?

I don’t know. I’ll probably keep it online, although I’ll have to transfer it back to my previous hosting service in a few months. I may dust off my old Stones & Sigils campaign and begin work on it again, now that there won’t be any more official supplements for WFRP v2.

Maybe I’m just getting too old, and the hobby I loved along with my favorite game within it is passing me by. Maybe younger fans will take up the torch. I’m just not sure I care all that much any more. A few years ago I was keenly interested in the v1 vs v2 debate. Now, even the thought of debating the relative strengths and weaknesses of any of the WFRP incarnations is enough to make me nauseated. I mean, I suppose I understand FFG’s need for peripherals like cards and proprietary dice in this age of digital piracy, but I don’t understand why FFG’s customers would need them.

I wish FFG success. Who knows? Maybe custom dice, interlocking cards with “sockets,” and party tension meters are the wave of the future, and not merely the last gasp of print media desperately trying to avoid being replaced by digital.

14 comments to “WFRP v3”

  1. It is my hope that you keep this site online. I’m running the Enemy Within with my college group and the resources available here have made things so much easier, particularly the conversion to 2nd ed. I just got into the system and am sure I’m not the last to do so, so if this site doesn’t run at a loss, I’d say please, please keep it going.

  2. I was thinking about this site when I watched the videos over on FFG. I hope you keep it going. Lots of useful material and links. For myself, I feel quite positive about v3. Dunno when I’ll get around to getting it but I will get it. Strangely, the fact that there are now 3 versions of the game has made me more aware that I can play which ever version I want. I don’t have to play v2 or v3 just because they are the most recent. Admittedly it helps having rather a lot of version 1.

    Maybe you could write your own system? I fancy having a crack at that myself.

    Don’t lose heart. You have clearly put a lot of effort into Winds of Chaos, be a shame to see it disappear into the void

  3. I feel much the same way about v3 – though it seems so far a departure from the previous two I think it needs to be put in a separate category altogether (preferably one labeled B.I.N)…
    As for the site, please keep it going, its been a valuable resource for myself as a GM… If you need any help with articles, proof reading etc, I’d be happy to help out.

  4. Just discovered this site and wanted to say I hope you’ll keep it on line.

    Like a lot of other people, I’m very underwhelmed by what I’ve heard about WFRP3 and don’t have any plans to buy into it. But part of what makes 1E and 2E such great games is the fan community, and frankly I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

    You’ve got some great resources here, which I do hope you’ll keep available even if the site isn’t updated frequently.

  5. Sad to see you jump off the bandwagon, but that’s progress I guess. FFG needs new buyers, what us oldtimers do isn’t relevant. Good luck with your game (as for everybody staying behind using old editions; including myself).

  6. keep on writing i’ll keep on running and playing i even managed to find some newbs so we are out there and we are everywhere

  7. I will not be dropping any money on 3rd edition… so sites like this supporting 2nd will be more sought after once FFG stops their support of 2nd… so I hope you keep it around as well.

  8. I’m sure there are many of us out there who feel let down by the games licence holders, particularly as we have supported this, and the previous incarnation of the game, with such dedication. But, if they have decided to ignore us and produce a game that I feel is clearly aimed at a much younger audience, then it is their loss. They will loose the support so obvious in the mails above.
    This is not the first time this has happened in the RPG world, and the good games survive on the contribution of their fans. So, why not. This is a great site, well known and well presented. Lets support it and keep the game we like alive. Maybe this will send the right message to those who can do something about it.

  9. I agree with mostly everything you’ve said. I don’t intend to play or run 3rd Edition. I also feel like my hobby is passing me by and leaving me behind. I guess this is what it feels like to get old. With that said, I believe that the 2nd Edition of WFRP was not broken and shouldn’t have been fixed with 3rd ed. Go figure. I do hope you keep this site up though. I enjoy it greatly.

  10. I don’t know if you or anyone else are still reading these comments, but I would like to tell you that WFRP 3rd ed is actually really good.

    The dice are a particularly brilliant idea, with lots of role-playing potential. Combat is nasty, the tension meter and the fatigue/stress system is good, and they’ve kept a lot of the flavour of the old system (a subset of the careers, some spell names, orders, the monster structure, even skill names). I’m playing it in Japanese but I’ve got some articles about it on my blog.

    I think of it as a big step forward in role-playing rather than a desperate attempt to maintain relevance. But it is expensive and the basic set is not the whole game, so if you’re not sure I wouldn’t recommend trying it out. If you get a chance to drop into someone else’s game and give it a go, I recommend you try it.

  11. I have to say, having looked at the 3rd edition stuff, I’m not entirely sure why they dice the whole dice and card thing TBH – it can still be ripped off, believe me. So there’s 3 pictures of something on a dice? Count them as 4,5 and 6!

    I agree that v2 had a a few bits that needed a tweak – but what system doesn’t? having looked at the whole ‘stress’ and ‘fatigue’ system I think it’s pretentious, over-blown and too complicated. It basically says “HERE’s how to role-play it!”. You know what? I’m not sure I like being told how to role-play my character, thank you very much…

  12. Just to let you know that your material is JUST AMAZING.
    In italy,we keep supporting the old school v1.
    Old Gamers Never die..they just regroup in V1 😀

  13. I think the sales for V. 3 of WHFBRP have been poor … I know nearly no one who is playing it and I’ve heard of a few podcasters pimping it out but other than that I think this thing is in the tank. But then again I don’t think 2nd ed was probably breaking sales records either. For me I have enough second ed material to run endless games … so they can make 10 more versions for all I care. GW in general is sadly sinking into quicksand I think. I dearly love their universe but the entire old guard has left the company and I think they’ve made some really poor moves in terms of licensing things out and the pricing on many of their products and continue to alienate customers. To top it all off tabletop gaming is getting crushed by digital offerings. People just want to stay home and play WoW … its hard to get people to do any tabletop gaming anymore.

  14. By the way … I’m firing up a new game for a new group with 2nd ed. We are doing a chaos warband campaign and I have all the rules with whats in print with 2nd ed that I need. No need for 3rd edition proprietary wonky card/dice junk to get in the way and derail the game (but what do you expect from a board game/card game company that doesn’t get RPGs). You have some great stuff here please keep the site up … I’d love to see more of it!!

    Thank you!!

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