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Re: Errata Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:10 am
by macd21
Rat Catcher wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:19 am
macd21 wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:00 am
(for those you have to look at the FAQ, or else track down discussions on Facebook or Discord to find out what the devs have said on it).
I find ambiguity as bad as errata, maybe even worse. If something is plain wrong (errata), you could guess the correct intent. But with vague rules, anyone can be right or wrong - because it's all up for grabs.
Sure, I’m just explaining the context. I think it would be better to rewrite the unclear stuff, but that’s not what they’re doing. And I think it’s important to understand this context - I’ve seen people state that because their interpretation of the rules wasn’t contradicted by the errata, it must be true.

In theory a lot of the ambiguous stuff should be covered in the FAQ, but so far it’s only covered a few of the more common issues.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:56 am
by CapnZapp
Orin J. wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:11 pm
i suggest running a couple practice combats to determine how serious the issue is for your group.
This is good advice.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:08 am
by Rat Catcher
It isn't a question of using the system to see if I like it. For example, I understand how attacks and damage works, and I understand that bigger targets are easier to damage, simply because they are bigger (at least that's what the rules on pg 161 imply). The question for me now - is whether or not I can be bothered to house rule things.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:28 am
by CapnZapp
Rat Catcher wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:08 am
It isn't a question of using the system to see if I like it.

...

The question for me now - is whether or not I can be bothered to house rule things.
With all respect, could it be that you're missing the point of the advice given?

The advice is:

Don't houserule a system before you have given it a good test run yourself.

Have a nice day!

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:53 am
by Rat Catcher
CapnZapp wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:28 am
Rat Catcher wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:08 am
It isn't a question of using the system to see if I like it.

...

The question for me now - is whether or not I can be bothered to house rule things.
With all respect, could it be that you're missing the point of the advice given?

The advice is:

Don't houserule a system before you have given it a good test run yourself.

Have a nice day!
Not in this instance. I know how that rule is intended to work, and it works in an illogical manner. A bigger target should not suffer additional damage because it is easier to hit. Testing out that rule is not going to change that fact.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:24 am
by CapnZapp
Rat Catcher wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:53 am
Not in this instance. I know how that rule is intended to work, and it works in an illogical manner. A bigger target should not suffer additional damage because it is easier to hit. Testing out that rule is not going to change that fact.
Sorry, but that consequence is built into the system. Anything easier to hit also takes more damage. Being skilled = being strong.

For any reason. For instance, a magic weapon that gives +10% to Weapon Skill also comes with +1 Damage built in. (If you give out both +10 to hit and +1 to damage, you're effectively giving out +2 to Damage)

Trying to counteract this, probably the most fundamental property of the 4E combat system, just for a special case is ill-advised in my opinion. Or at least premature. At least try the game and see how the rules work in many different situations (instead of just getting hung up on this case). Then you can decide whether you can live with the system (in all cases) or if you need a different ruleset.

I promise this is the final time I will try to make you see my point. Have a nice day!

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:35 pm
by redvampire7
Hello everyone.

I think that pg. 162 refers to ranged combat only. And the extra modifier from size does not translate in extra damage. "If this modifier allows you to hit when the Test would otherwise have failed, you succeed with +0 SL."

pg. 341 refers to melee combat where the bonus is a flat +10.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:51 pm
by Rat Catcher
redvampire7 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:35 pm
Hello everyone.

I think that pg. 162 refers to ranged combat only. And the extra modifier from size does not translate in extra damage. "If this modifier allows you to hit when the Test would otherwise have failed, you succeed with +0 SL."

pg. 341 refers to melee combat where the bonus is a flat +10.
You are absolutely right! Thanks for clarifying

Though that said, wouldn't that +10 to hit bigger sized targets translate into additional damage?

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:03 pm
by redvampire7
Rat Catcher wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:51 pm
redvampire7 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:35 pm
Hello everyone.

I think that pg. 162 refers to ranged combat only. And the extra modifier from size does not translate in extra damage. "If this modifier allows you to hit when the Test would otherwise have failed, you succeed with +0 SL."

pg. 341 refers to melee combat where the bonus is a flat +10.
You are absolutely right! Thanks for clarifying

Though that said, wouldn't that +10 to hit bigger sized targets translate into additional damage?
Well yes. But it's just +1 Dmg. Nothing gamebreaking I believe.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:21 pm
by Rat Catcher
That's what I was thinking.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:59 am
by mormegil
+40 is for shooting ranged, not for melee.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:36 am
by Angelman
Hey all,

So, where does one find the latest WFRP4 errata? I have the 1.0 one but I know there should be newer versions available... I just, for the life of me, can't find them! Any help would be much apreciated :-)

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:12 am
by totsuzenheni
Angelman wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:36 am
So, where does one find the latest WFRP4 errata? I have the 1.0 one but I know there should be newer versions available... I just, for the life of me, can't find them! Any help would be much apreciated :-)
The only errata i can find is here: https://diw2l4zrbsp3w.cloudfront.net/wp ... 28_Feb.pdf , which is version 1.1, which is, as far as i know, the latest version. I too had trouble finding it. It's on the 'Roleplay Game Resources' webpage here: https://www.cubicle7games.com/our-games/resources/, which (rather than being in the 'Our Games' dropdown list as indicated in the webpage address) i found on this: https://www.cubicle7games.com/wfrp-free ... ces-recap/ news update, which i found by searching the Cubicle 7 'News & Events', which knew about from memory. I couldn't find any other link to the errata or the resources page, nor any other mention of it, nor could i find an errata on DriveThruRPG.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:19 am
by Angelman
Thank you, @totsuzenheni :D

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:22 am
by CapnZapp
totsuzenheni wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:12 am
The only errata i can find is here: https://diw2l4zrbsp3w.cloudfront.net/wp ... 28_Feb.pdf , which is version 1.1, which is, as far as i know, the latest version. I too had trouble finding it. It's on the 'Roleplay Game Resources' webpage here: https://www.cubicle7games.com/our-games/resources/, which (rather than being in the 'Our Games' dropdown list as indicated in the webpage address) i found on this: https://www.cubicle7games.com/wfrp-free ... ces-recap/ news update, which i found by searching the Cubicle 7 'News & Events', which knew about from memory. I couldn't find any other link to the errata or the resources page, nor any other mention of it, nor could i find an errata on DriveThruRPG.
It is in cases like this Google is your friend ;)

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=wfrp+errata+cubicle+7 (first result is directly to the 28 Feb errata PDF)

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:32 am
by totsuzenheni
CapnZapp wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:22 am
It is in cases like this Google is your friend ;)

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=wfrp+errata+cubicle+7 (first result is directly to the 28 Feb errata PDF)
Yes and no. Google (et al) find an errata, but this doesn't answer the question of whether or not it's the latest errata. It's possible that a later errata exists and that it's not coming up high on the list of results (or even perhaps not coming up at all) if the webpage hasn't been optimised for search engines to find (or hidden from search engines).

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:48 pm
by SigmariteOrWrong
P135

Concoct - You may take one free Crafting Endeavour to use Lore (Apothecary) without need of a Workshop.

I recommend folk use Lore (Medicine), since its actually the skill the two careers who have the talent would most likely be using for it, and neither career has Lore (Apothecary)

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:45 pm
by sx dwarf
Pádraig Murphy, the new WFRP producer, just confirm that is working for a errata for Magic.

Re: Errata Update

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:58 am
by adambeyoncelowe
If you use fast SLs, you'll usually be limited to +9 damage from the hit roll (some Talents give more), so that's one way to course correct. Also, elephants have huge numbers of Wounds, so it will probably be fine.

We just use the 10%, though, even when ranged.

ETA: Didn't see page 2. D'oh!